So I have recently decided that HGH is way to expensive and before i go down that road i am going to try a serious cycle of AAS first. Im looking for mass gains but without retaining to much water. I still want to stay relatively cut. I have just ordered Sustaplex 325 and equiplex 200. I also ordered some Nolvadex to keep aromitization low. But i wanted to start off the cycle with an oral and the one i wanted, Tbol or turnaplex, is completely impossible for me to find, sooo i was wondering if anyone had some suggestions. I have thought about Dbol but i think that might be a little to androgenic. Thanks guys, your always a help.

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you cant always do both bro, you'll only get mediocre results that way, its best to bulk or cut, lean mass is achievable with the right drugs etc. but its much harder to gain and maintain...

d-bol will produce a nice amount of water retention, test/eq isn't a bad cycle, i like it and have had good results too, gains are relatively easy to keep, but you will thin out a bit afterwards, after all both convert to estrogen so water will be a small issue for the average person, forget d-bol, look into winstrol/var or t-bol for harder leaner gains...

run your test @ 500mg ew and your eq @ 400mg ew both for 12-15wks
run the orals @ 50mg ed for first 4-6wks bro, nolva will help with estro sides, otherwise
adex is a better option, next to no water at all with that stuff.....

oh and if hgh is too expensive, later on down the road you may wanna look into igf instead, its cheaper and similar in its actions....but has to be cycled,

So of i was to run this as a bulking cycle instead what oral would you recomend if any and would you run the test and eq the same?

Go w/the dbol bro at 40mg ed.I did itr for 5 weeks and had little to no water retention,but great gains.you can keep water retention dwn w/ playing with yer water intake, and diet.20mgs od nolva ed dnt hurt either

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double bump...if you want to go w/ a cutting cycle, but can't find winstrol or anavar, i suggest you don't use any orals at all.
test/eq alone make for a good cutting cycle. just make sure your diet is lean and clean, and incorporate some cardio on a regular basis. the eq should give you good vascularity. your veins will really stand out w/ that stuff and your appetite will go through the roof.
as for bulking, sure d-bol will work wonders. i have gained as much as 30 lbs. off d-bol/test.
train hard or it won't do you much good in the long run.
i guess it's up to you if you want to cut/bulk. just make sure your plan is complete and you have everything you need before you start any cycle.