greetings everyone!
done me first cycle with sus 250 lot with the six meals a day schedule too last year,
was really worry about the water retention and gyno thing so i was on FEMORA right from the starts. no water retention at all but not much gain either for some reasons.....

so i was thinking,
if i took NOLVADEX instead and probably suffer the water retention,
but will the gain makes any difference? any comments please let me know.

'm about to start me second cycle and this will REALLY help alot in me planning, many many many thanks!

nolva would keep the water off. If this is only your second cycle, why are you so worried about water retension, if you don't know if your even prone to gyno?

IMO I would keep the nolva in your pocket just in "case" your nipples get itchy then, and only then, take it until symptoms subside. I would not take it the whole cycle. Believe it or not, water retension helps your gains and strength. And less water means less strength and gains.
What does your diet look like for those 6 meals? Are you trying to bulk?

By 'FEROMA' I'm guessing you mean Letrozole (sold under the brand name Ferama). If so this stuff is way too strong!
Taking it is directly related to why you would have bad results from your previous cycle.

Nolva is a lot weaker, but will still be effective against water and estrogen sides. Take 10mg once your nips start to get puffy
or itchy, then remain at this 10mg ED until that goes away. You can take this all cycle long, but it will prevent complete results.

In short, the less 'preventative drugs' you take, the better your cycle will be. Unfortunately, most people will need some level
of protection, but this varies from person to person.

Hey greetings! THANK YOU THANK YOU & THANK YOU for all the advices, now i can re-plan and start me second cycle soon now, appreciated!

sadly me last gain was just 4 to 5 kilos and they are all very much gone by the end of trimming down, despite going through the six meal a day eating hell, eheh...

4-5 kg is about 12lbs, thats not a bad gain if its lean bro.....

FYI, I think I suffered from this very miscalculation myself!
Been doing 500mg of Test E, got a little nervous when my nips got pinchy/sore, so I took .5mg ED of letro. Musta wiped out my gains, cause even after a month of weights, I just got minor results, not explosive growth I hear Test is supposed to give.
So, I am gonna goto nolva, guage the dose so the nip are only a little pinchy, and I might also take 40mg of turanabol ED, since that doesn't seem to be involved in the test/est gyno cycle.

Frustrating.

Try out proviron, its supposed to reduce estro sides, but also works with your test instead of against it.

Yeah, I've heard that too.
Question is, is it definitively true? Can you actually knock out estro sides with proviron?
I've even heard that of Winnie's. So, any further advice from the roid mavens here???

I think the original post question here is still topical - Are good gains only contingent upon water gain and estro sides? Seems like they are not absolutely inclusive, as tbol, winnies and even tren don't give estro sides. Tren is supposed to be even stronger than test.

You need to stop asking the same things over and over. This is the 3rd posting of this exact same message. You have an answer on YOUR thread...