Hi Everyone,

Thanks for having such a great forum out there for newbies like me to get help from people who know and were in my place before.

I am looking at starting a cutting cycle. I have never done anything before so this would be my first cycle. I lift regularly and am looking to lean down.

Specs : Height: 175cm, Weight: 84 Kilos, Age: 28, BF% - 23

I spoke to a trainer and he suggested the following cutting cycle. Winny (Injections), Tren Ace (Injections).

Week 1: 1 ml/week Winstrol, 1.5ml/week Tren Ace
Week 2: 1.5 ml winstrol, 1.5 ml Tren Ace
Week 3: 1.5ml winstrol, 1 ml Tren Ace, 60 mcg/day Clen
Week 4: 1 ml winstrol, 2 ml Tren Ace, 120 mcg/day Clen
Week 5: 120 mcg/day Clen
Week 6: 3 ml Tren Ace, 150 mcg Clen
Week 7: Off
Week 8: Off
Week 9: 2 ml winstrol, 120 mcg/day Clen, 100mg/day Clomid
Week 10: 2 ml winstrol, 60 mcg/day Clen, 150 mg/day Clomid

My Protein intake will be 150 grams per day
My Carb intake will be 120 grams per day

What kind of side effects could I expect? Is this a safe cycle to do? If my libido does decrease how long till it comes back? Will the Clomid help with that?

any advice would be great.

im not keen on what he recommended, tapering is old skool and taking a break mid cycle with no test in your system is just a stupid idea IMO, if it were set-up the way it should be which i dont think it is, id recommend adding in some test prop if you are set on running tren ace, winstrol should be added in at the end of that cycle,

its a pretty harsh but very effective cycle bro, ideal if you are planning to get cut/or rip some muscle....

test prop @ 100mg ed wks 1-10
tren ace @ 50mg ed wks 1-8
winstrol @ 50mg ed wks 4-10

T3 @ 50mcg ed to supplement while you are using tren
Clen can be run @ 3-4tabs ed ( split doses ) wk on wk off for the duration of the cycle.

prob gonna need an aggressive pct and hcg to get you back to normal afterwards, and i also advise you bump the protein up and cycle your carbs on workout days....

hawthorne berry and milk thistle will help your blood pressure and liver values....

just my opinion on how i think it should be set up....

is this your first run? do you compete?

if its your first go, then skip what i just said, and keep it simple, tren is a no no, t3 is best left till later and test prop means far too many shot each week, you'd be better off with longer acting injectables and orals....

This is my first cycle ever...so what would be your suggestion then for cutting...with limited side effects...and for the same 10 week period.

Thanks for the help bro

Tightening up your diet and increasing your cardio is the ABSOLUTE best suggestion for cutting. The person who suggested that cycle to you should be kicked off the island.

defo....i think you should be half way there before you jump in thedeep end, exhaust your natural ability then hit the gear, a simple test/winstrol cycle would work well for a new guy, it'll shift your metabolism in favor of fat burning...

175cm tall and 84kg @ 23% bf. Forget cutting, you need to add muscle to that frame. With it being your first cycle you have a great opportunity to do just that. Do the standard 500mg wk test e and 400mg wk deca for 10-12 weeks. You'll grow like a weed and then you'll have some size to cut back to next cycle.

Bro', this guy just said he has 23% BF and you're telling him to forget about cutting?
let him decide for himself what his goals are. he definitely needs to focus on cutting his BF% and you're recommending something thats going to bulk him up?
makes no sense to me.

Thanks for all the great help...after doing much research (I have been on my computer for 20 hours in the last 2 days looking stuff up) I am def not doing Tren.

I am looking to plan a new cycle with Test Prop/Winny for 8 weeks...Thanks for the suggestion YamahaRob...This is what I was thinking.

Test Prop (week 1-8) (200 mg/week/200/300/300/300/300/200/200))
Winny (Week 3-8) (oral 50mg ed)
and maybe Clen (weeks 5-8) (60/120/120/60)

In this Should I look at Winny oral or inject?

Looking at winny for the last 6 weeks of the cycle.

Would adding Clen the last 4 weeks of the cycle be a good idea?

Do I need to take Proviron during the cycle?

PCT

Starting HCG at 3000 miu the last week of the cycle and then another 3000 miu 5 days later, and 1500 5 days after, and finishing with 1500 5 days after that. Finishing my last dosage 1 and a half weeks before I finished my Clomid/Nolva.

As for the Clomid/Nolva should I take only Clomid or Nolva or should I take both.

If I were to do both I would hit them 3 weeks post cycle Clomid (150/100/100) and Nolva (50/25/25)

Since I am looking at taking Test Prop I will start the Clomid/Nolva 5 days after my last shot. Is this proper.

Thanks for all the help guys.

i like the look of your new cycle much better. injectable form of winny is superior to oral tabs. but, many complain that injectable winny is difficult to administer.
pin Test P eod and try get it closer to 500 mg/wk for best results. you may choose to pin ed if you don't mind being a human pincushion.
clomid/nolva combination is just fine.
you can run the winny right up to the start of your pct, if you choose, since the winny will clear your system in less than 72 hrs. anyway.
i reccommend two weekson/two weeks off for the clen. anything past 2-3 weeks tends to lose it's effectiveness. so, 2 wks on/off until you run out of clen, IMO. also, start your dosage on day 1 at .25 mcg and gradually build up your dosage according how well you tolerate any sides. don't use over 150 mcg/ed, though.
make sure you drink plenty of water and incorporate cardio and a clean diet in order to cut.
also, research over the counter remedies for joint support. winny will dry your joints out and you need to take that into consideration.
and, as always, Rob and DS give great advice.

Thanks for the advice Alpha...I may bump up the Test Prop to 125 eod then...I'll cycle the clen on off also...

and how would you know if you are prone to gyno...I mean when I was really overweight yeah I had tits...but as I have lost weight my chest has gotten less...but I have generally had a larger chest all my life...does this mean that I may be prone to gyno?

If I want to cut is it ok to take an anti-e (proviron) just to be on the safe side during my cycle?

Since proviron can increase BP is it ok to cycle Clen then? I don't have a history of hypertension or anything like that.

One last question if you are taking both Proviron and Winny oral is it a good idea to take Liv-52 along with to take care of your liver?

So the new cycle would look something like this

Test Prop (week 1-8) (125 eod)
Winny Oral (week 3-8) (50mg ed)
Proviron (week 1-8) (50mg ed)
Clen (2 weeks on 2 weeks off at 60 mcg day starting week 3)

PCT
I would assume that it would stay the same but instead of the clomid/nolva I would most likely just continue with the Proviron and not take the Nolva.

But a question on this...Do I need to continue the Proviron after my 8 week cycle because most stacks I have seen with it stop at the end of the cycle and continue only with Clomid.

Do I still need to administer HCG?