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Need help - strength and power training - 06-08-2007

Hi, Ive been bodybuilding for the last year now but my interest are in strength and power training, my strength and power is very weak, could you please send me information of how to train and how often for both strength and power for a novice and also what I should eat? It would be very much appreciated. In need of your help and advice, Thank you.
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Hey - 06-10-2007

How are you thanks for joining our fourm. So is your goal to be a powerlifter or to get big and strong? Could you give all of your stats. For example your age hieght wieght you daily diet from morning to night your BF% and your current work out routine from the last year. We will be glad to help.


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Strength and Power - 06-10-2007

Hi, thanks for replying to my cry of help, my goal is to be as strong and powerful as I can, like Marious Pudjonoski of Poland, well I guess you have to have an aim LOL, anyway I am 31, 5F 8in, 16 stone 2 pounds (about 103-105 kilos).
My diet is
1) Smoothie 2) Protien drink 3) Rice and chicken or fish and salad 4) Smoothie 5) Lamb or beef with veg 6) Protien drink
My diet consists of a mix of the following Chicken, Fish, Beef, Lamb, eggs, brown rice, potatoe, veg and fruit, I have been on this diet for the last 7 months. As I am overweight I would like to lose weight as well.
My workout routine for the last year is Monday) Legs: Tuesday) Chest: Wednesday) Back: Thursday) Abs and shoulders: Friday) Off: Saturday) Bi's and Tri's: Sunday) Off.
I can feel my muscles developing but I carry to much fat and my strength has hardely increased which is the thing that I most want to improve along with losing weight, there have been a lot of new members to the Gym in the last 2 years most of them sarted after me but all of them have passed me in strength. I realy need your help and really appreciate it. Thanks.
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How are you thanks for joining our fourm. So is your goal to be a powerlifter or to get big and strong? Could you give all of your stats. For example your age hieght wieght you daily diet from morning to night your BF% and your current work out routine from the last year. We will be glad to help.
Hi its me again I dont mean to be a pain but I want to start my new training as soon as possible any chance of replying soon, sorry to bother you but I am desperate for help, Thanks.
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06-14-2007

Hey Bro,

I am very sorry for these delays with answer.

So you want to work for strength. Give a read to that.

In my opinion, the best program for a wide range of athletes, from beginners to elite level athletes, women, men, anyone....

The 5X5:

Monday:

Olympic Squats 5x5 (same weight)
Benching 5x5 (flat, close grip or regular)(same weight)
JS Rows 5x5 (same weight)
Accessory (low volume triceps and abs)

Wednesday:

Olympic Squats 5x5 (reduced 15-20% from Monday) or Front Squats 5x5
Standing Military Press 5x5 (same weight)
Deadlifts 5x5 (same weight) (if you pull 2.5x bodyweight do 3x5)
Pull ups 5x5 (use weight if you need it)
Accessory (biceps and abs)

Friday:

Olympic Squats 5x5 (working up each set)
Benching 5x5 (flat or incline)(same weight)
Rows 5x5 (same weight)
Accessory (low volume triceps and abs)


The idea is simple: pick a weight you can do for 5 sets of 5, and if you complete all the sets and reps, then next time bump the weight up 5 or 10 pounds.

Before beginning the program it is important to establish 1 rep maxes for the squat, bench press, military press, and deadlift, and 5 rep maxes for the squat, bench press, rows, military press, and deadlifts.

The first week, it is important to begin very conservatively and prepare to set new 5 rep maxes on about the 4th-6th week, rather than the 1st or 2nd week. It will take some time for your body to grow accustomed to training this way, and in the beginning you’re gonna be sore as hell.

If you get all the sets and reps, then you increase the weight (5-10lbs) for the next week, and if not, you keep the weight the same.

Try and set new 5 rep maxes on weeks 4-6 for beginners , and weeks 3-4 for veterans and then move to a 3x3 for 2x per week.

Run the 3x3 for 2-3 weeks, drop the squatting frequency to 2x per week (or even every 4-5 days if you need the additional recovery), and try setting records on the 4th or 5th workout. (Also, weight increase are the important thing here).

Then cycle down to 1 set of 3 for 2 or 3 workouts, and maybe even go for a max single at the end.

So basically what you get is a 4-6 week prep phase, followed by a 3-5 week peaking phase.

One point – during the initial phase where 5x5 is being used you MUST stick to the required volume and frequency. Back off the weight if you have to, but always get in all 5 sets of 5.
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Here's the original post by JS about it...

---5X5---
Monday: Squats, Benching, Rows
Weds: Squats, Military Presses, Deadlifts, Chins
Friday: Squats, Benching, Rows

Courtesy of bill starr bill starr, the greatest strength coach who ever lived, popularized this in the 70's with his great book, The Strongest Shall Survive, which was aimed at strength training for football. I believe he had essentually two different programs which both are 5 sets of 5. The first, which is more suitable for beginners, is to simply do 5 sets of 5 with similar weight jumps between each set so that your last set is your top weight. When you get all 5 on the last set, bump all your weights up 5 or 10lbs. Example for squat... 185 for 5, 225 for 5, 275 for 5, 315 for 5, 365 for 5. If you get 365 for 5, move all weights up. This is especially good for someone who is just learning a particular exercise like the squat, because the amount of practice with light but increasing weights is a good way to practice form.

For more advanced lifters, he advocated a warmup, then 5 sets of 5 with a set weight. For example, the same athlete used in the other example may do 135 for 5, 185 for 5, 225 for 3, 275 for 2, 315 for 1, then 350 for 5 sets of 5. When successfull with all 25 reps at 350lbs, bump the weight up the next workout by 5 or 10lbs.

This is not outdated, and is a good program for gaining strength. Many elite athletes still use it during at least part of the year. I in fact do 5 sets of 5 on squatting for 4 weeks as part of an 8 or 10 week training cycle. Personally, i do it 3 times a week, but most people will probably make better progress doing it 2 times per week, or even doing version 1 once a week, and version 2 once a week.

In any event i described a system in a post a while back that goes something like this:
Monday use the heaviest weight you can for all 5 sets (same weight each set)---- in other words when you get all 5 sets of 5 reps up the weight (most workouts you will get 3 or 4 sets of 5- and maybe your last one will be for 3 or 4 reps)

Wednesday use 10-20% less weight- in other words if you used 200lbs on monday use 160-180lbs on wednesday- actual amount depending on your recovery

Friday work up to a max set of 5-

In other words lets say that your best ever set of 5 is 215lbs and you used 200lbs on monday for 5 sets and 170lbs on wednesday. On friday your workout might be like this 95 for 5 135 for 5 175 for 5 200 for 5 then attempt 220 for your last set of 5.

This tends to work better as a long term program than doing the same thing 3 times a week. On exercises where you only do them once a week like deadlift you can just do the 5 sets of 5 like i described. On monday on exercises that you are only doing twice (rows) you could do both exercises like the monday workout or lighten one of them depending on your recovery ability. Be conservative with the weight when you start- that is important.

Also i have used this program VERY often with athletes and it IS result producing. However many of your gains will show up after you use it for 4-6 weeks and you switch to training a bit less frequently and lower the reps and volume. However this is one program i have had a LOT of success with. In fact i rarely if ever use it with athletes who are at the top of their weight class because it causes too much weight gain unless you severely restrict your food.


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Smile Thanks - 06-14-2007

Thank you so much I really appreciate it Im gonna start this program from this monday, I need explaining about (Accessory abs, tris and bis0 what do you mean by accessory? Thanks again you guys are a great help to us all.
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Diet - 06-15-2007

Hi what diet shiould I follow on the 5x5? thanks.
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hank you so much I really appreciate it Im gonna start this program from this monday, I need explaining about (Accessory abs, tris and bis0 what do you mean by accessory? Thanks again you guys are a great help to us all
Accessory Muscles - The muscles that are required to perform an exercise that are not the target muscle.

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Hi what diet shiould I follow on the 5x5? thanks.
Eat well as usual just don't be short of carbohydrates.


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Smile Accesory - 06-16-2007

Great fuilly understand now. thanks.
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