gonna be running a quick cycle of t-bol at 50 mg ed for 4 weeks. This will be my second cycle first was t-bol at 50mg ed as well for 6 weeks with no pct. by the end i was shut down. now am looking to avoid that in this cycle. will 20 mg ed of tamoxifen after the cycle for 3 weeks suffice? thx guys??

bro you should run some type of test like a fast acting prop

once again Talon gives good advice.
test prop would be an essential additon to your t-bol cycle. i'm sure you're trying to take things slow, and i respect that. but, please understand that you're going to get shut down every time you use t-bol w/out test and you're gonna lose all/most of your gains.
all experienced bbr's will tell you that test is a must for every cycle, aside from a few rare exceptions that don't apply to you in this case.
i would recommend a minimum of 50 mg Test P EOD (every other day).
you will be pleased w/ the results and have a much better understanding of how a proper cycle feels.

as far as pct goes, clomid stepdown method.
with a cycle of t-bol/test p, you would want to start pct approx. three days after your last dose of t-bol and last pin of test prop.
test p is fast-acting and will lose it's potencey in about 48-72 hrs.
day 1, 300 mg clomid
days 2-10, 100 mg clomid
days 11-21, 50 mg clomid
8 weeks is fine for the test p. but, i would not run the t-bol more than six weeks. it is toxic to your liver and should be used only 4-6 weeks.

hope this helps.

if this is your second cycle, its about time you step up, you have already tested the waters, and lerned by your own mistakes.....stop fooling with orals, you'll be dissapointed again, and remember this time 50mg ed may not have the same effect.

use a testosterone base and work out your cycle from there, you will not regret that, if your gonna jump in the steroids game you need to play by the rules of thumb....

test is the base of every cycle - RULE NUMBER ONE

oh and seeing as its your first run id opt for enanthate over prop,
if you still wanna run those orals, use them to kickstart the cycle,
less injecions = less hassle IMO

huge bump on both bro...take the ethan bus if you want a longr cycle tbol will kickstart the cycle and the test will piut on om serious ass weight and strength for sure....if yu did=decide to shoten it alpha gave you a great pct for the prop and tbol.....

Hey bro as the guys mentioned afore. You are going to get shut down big time I know from personal experience. Best thing to do is step up to the plate start using some test E. However, if you do choose to go with only the t-bol. I would use clomid instead of nolvadex.

thx guys! i have 2 vials of test E i'm going to be using for 500mg ed for 10 weeks? any suggestions for PCT? and could i run nolva let's say at 10mg a day throughout the cycle to help cut waterweight and bloat?

bro', i wouldn't even bother w/ the nolva for water retention. the t-bol is going to give you lean gains anyway. it's d-bol that will bloat you up. that's one of the better aspects of using t-bol.
as for the clomid.
start pct (clomid) two weeks after your last pin of test e.
here's your dosage regimen:
day 1, 300 mgs.
days 2-10, 100 mgs.
days 11-21, 50 mgs.

hope this helps.

actually i'm just gonna be running the test alone. would that change the PCT at all. or should i still run the clomid at your suggested doasges?
no nolva still?? thx bro

no it wont change the pct stick to what alpha and i gave you and you will do fine..