I classify most Vegetables separate from other carb groups. The reasons for this:
1: Vegetables are such a key source of many nutrients-vitamins, minerals an phytonutrients-that they should be consumed above any carb restrictions you place.
2: They are an excellent source of fiber in which we may be deficient in.
3: They are relatively low in calories an can add satiety to your nutrition program without adding body fat.
We should all eat plenty of vegetables five or more servings a day. Whether cutting body fat or in a growth phase. You can particularly reduce carbs by using veggies to replace slow and medium digesting carbs in the diet. For example, you can switch 2 cups of pasta to one cup of vegetables mixed with a cup of pasta. Not only does this save about 35 grams of carbs an 140 calories, but you also change the digestion rate of the spaghetti from medium to somewhere between slow an medium. The results is lower insulin release an most likely greater fat loss.
I have been doing a lot of research lately trying to be the best I can be. I hope the research which I have gotten from mags an my own studying will help everyone out.

I'm with you 100%. Digesting fiber even helps you burn more calories. The only problem is vegetables are worth a grip of cash. I usually opt out of fresh and go for frozen. I'm broke so...ehhh. Plus some make your piss smell weird

i tend to go fresh.. yeah i know what you mean about the piss smelling funky.. when i shower with my gf and i try to piss and not make it obvious im given away by the smell.

I will have to say that is a great post. I tend to go for fresh myself. But lets all remember that cutting or bulking carbs and protien go hand in hand in growth just in the cutting phase you need to stay strickly with complex carbs or waixe maze or something of that nature. Now me i use carb slam to process my protein the try to keep my carb all complex from there.

Good choice on the Carb Slam there tri ; veggies should be included in both a bulking and a cutting diet the phytonutrients are amazing in helping growth and recovery of new cells.

Anyone see those microwave-in-bag veggies at the store? The broccoli is the best. Great post Nartic.