Hi,

I'm brand new on this subject. I've done some reading, but please forgive any idiocy on my part. I've got a number of questions so this might take a while to wade through.

A little intro on me since it’s my first post. I’m a heavily built (by ‘normal’ standards, not bodybuilder standards) 6’ tall 18 year-old. I’m a University student, so I only do part-time work in a local store, but I do spend a fair few hours a week shifting boxes, crates and cages of stuff around. Occasionally I get to ‘play’ with light things like boxes of crisps and cereal, but most of the time I get the heavy stuff because most people who work there are women. Well, actually, everyone on the shifts I work are women…some of them are shorter than the cages we use to move milk around, and the only reason they can move them is because the cages don't push back!

But anyway. My main aims (it’s always good to have them!) are to lose weight (i.e. fat) without losing any muscle. I’d like to put some muscle on, though. I normally do some basic weights twice a week, along with a fair bit of walking (to and from uni, work, town, shops etc).


Cytomel - T3 or T4?

I don't believe most of this post actually concerns steroids, but it seems like the best place to put it.

I'm curious about the difference between Cytomel T3 and Cytomel T4 (links below)? Obvious differences are different manufacturers, a slightly different price, different tab sizes and different amounts. But if they're different chemicals, then I think that comparing them through the amount and size of the tabs you get is pointless?

T3 - http://www.steroids-shop.net/cytomel-t3-p-94.html
T4 - http://www.steroids-shop.net/cytomel-t4-p-95.html

The description for T3 says the above. I take it this means T3 is far more effective than T4 despite the smaller tabs? But does this also mean the side effects are far worse, or do they have a similar effect? (The actual effects sound virtually identical, but there's not much mention of how severe they are)

Following from the info on the T3 page (25mcg to start with, 100mcg max, 3-4 days between each dosage increase, 6 weeks max), I've figured this out.

Cytomel T3
Day 1-4 25mcg
Day 5-8 50mcg
Day 9-12 75mcg
Day 13-30 100mcg
Day 31-34 75mcg
Day 35-38 50mcg
Day 39-42 25mcg
Day 43+ End of 6 weeks - nothing

If my calculations are right, overall that's 8 days at 25mcg, 50mcg and 75mcg with 18 days at 100mcg. 120 25mcg tabs total. Is that about right? Should I 'go easy' for my first time on this type of drug, and cut it down to something like 4 weeks and/or lower doses?

I assume it’s ok to take Clenbuterol at the same time? Doing either 1 or 2 weeks on and off would fit in well with the 6-week schedule above (e.g. 1 on, 1 off x3 or 2 on, 2 off, 2 on), I suppose?

Extras?

It sounds like it's a good idea to take steroids at the same time. And consequently, an anti-estrogenic is likely to be required? Should they all be taken at the same time, or is there a more effective sequence in which to take them? I suppose I'll also need something to bring my natural testosterone level back up?

Which steroids?

This is one area where I’m completely and utterly clueless. As I said, at the very least I don’t want to lose any muscle but I’d like to put some on – and keep it. I don’t see the point of gains that are going to disappear. Other than that the only thing is that I can’t stand needles. So oral only, for me. I take it that http://www.trainwiser.com/72/1079-or...ol-anavar.html is appropriate? Should I adjust the Turanabol dosage according to this?
Which anti-estrogenic?

The only anti-estrogenic substance I’ve really heard of before is Nolvadex. But while I was briefly reading through a few posts here I saw Clomid mentioned as a method of bringing testosterone back to normal; so I went and read the description of it and it seems it has much the same effect as Nolvadex? Having two options (and I’m sure there’s more) always makes life much harder. The description of Nolvadex almost makes it sound counter productive; while Clomid sounds like it would help with gains by boosting testosterone and prevents the nasties associated with estrogen at the same time.

Also, these are only need afterwards, correct?

Anything else?

I've read up on liver protection a little and will be making use of Liv.52.

If there’s anything I’ve missed, please let me know.




Many thanks.

you need liver support, get milk thisle, if your gonna stack a thyroid hormone wid gear the ensure you know how much to take or else you will really fuk urself up, fact...
stack t3 with winnie or better yet, use some clen and winnie or var...you will maintain muscle and lose b.f.
no need for an anti-e really, maybe some rebound xt and tribulus for afterwards but not much, nolva will do the same job....

I take it "var" is Anavar?

As for knowing how much to take, that was part of what I was asking about.

you are right bro.

Got good advice on how to train for strength and power, but I know think I want to burn of my fat first before I start my 5x5, I got ephedrine, clen, T4 and DNP can anyone please explain how I should take these and what amount and for how long, please be specific because I understand that T4 and DNP could realy mess you up especialy the DNP, Thanks.

Dont even consider steroids unless you've been training for at least 3 years with HEAVY weights 4 times a week...................NO WEIGHTS NO GAIN

Ive been training for just over 1 year now and will be starting my course soon I have heard people like you say that 3 years and then start but most people tell me just 1 year, anyway I kniow a few people in the gym who have become big and strong most of them juiced up onl3 to 6 months in to training some did it straight way away, gues its just diffrent people different results? I dont know any explanation? Hey guys will someone reply to my previous post about the DNP and T4 and the rest, realy need some help with them. Thanks.

im not that fimiliar with dnp...i am learning about it now.......as far as your doseages of t4 and clen, they will all vary, but look like decent figures.... i would be incline to run it for 4wks at a time and run your steroids throughout and back into another t4/clen cycle.....4wks on 4wks off,so 12wks or so in all........

milk thistle is sufficient for liver protection and is only needed if you use a methylated product.....if you opt to stack with var, milk thistle isn't so important but is still a wise move.

ephedrine,clen and thyroid hormones are risky buisness, your best bet is to ask the guys at your gym, maybe they can give you some input, they are the sort of products competetive bodybuilders use pre-contest.....

if you fuk up the doseages of t3 or t4, you might end up needing it long-term.....

avoid dnp unless you are serious about the sport and can condone using it.....

Thanks Yamaharob you know what Ive been thinking about this a lot and read about it and finaly you helped make my mind up Im not going near that DNP. I can lose the weight without it I got some GH and T4 Im also getting some clen in soon from steroidspharmacy.net, that should do it. I do have a question for you my T4 has on it 100ng the dosage Im supposed to take is 25mcg then raise to about 100mcg then gradually drop, but I dont get the mesurement on my tabs packet its 100ng does that mean its equivalant to 25mcg a tab or do I split the small tab 4 ways to make 4 pieces of 25mcg each? please help. Thanks.

wise move....avoid DNP all together, GH is best stacked with T4 and Insulin....thats what makes it so effective, GH alone would be a waste.......remember to go 5on 2off to save on your stash and run 6iu ED.......run it at least 3-6 months.
As for measurments im not great with maths either,


Remember that a gram is 1000 mg, a mg is 1000 mcg, and a mcg is 1000 ng

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