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Clenbuterol Questions. -
09-19-2007
I have been doing quite a bit of research on Clenbuterol for a while now but I still can not seem to find some answers to some questions I have about the drug.
1) Does Clenbuterol cause brain damage? I know if your body temp. rises considerably (around 103 degrees F) brain damage can occur. I have read that Clenbuterol raises your body temp. I have also read that it raises it about half a degree. Is this true with all doses? Or does temp. rise as the dosage rises?
2) I have used (and using) other legal fat-loss pills that seem to do the same as Clen (such as Lipo-6 and Hydroxycut Hardcore). Does this raise my tolerance to Clen?
3) If I use Clen for a 2-4 week cycle, would it be sensiable to stop at 100 mg a day (I am a male)? Or should I keep upping the dosage to see what I can handle?
4) When taking Clen, do you take the full dosage in the morning, evening, or should you split up the dosage throughout the day?
5) Where is a safe, legit place to buy Clen? I live in southern US. (steriod-shop.net is out of stock)
6) Would is be safe to take Clen while taking Nitric Oxide?
I appreciate all the help I can get!! Thank you!
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Clen Side Effects -
11-13-2007
Hi bro!
here I give you some of the most wide-spread Clen Side effect:
SIDE EFFECTS:
People should be aware of is the inherent liver toxicity associated with Clenbutaplex use. When stacking with oral 17-alpha-alkylated steroids, accutane, anti-biotics or other hepatoxic elements, one should have his liver values checked by a licensed physician at regular points in time to avoid all problems. If you not a yellow discoloration of the skin cease use immediately and contact your doctor.
Side effects of Clenbutaplex include:
Headaches
Muscular tremors (especially hand shakes)
Muscular cramps
Nervousness
Insomnia
Sweating
Increased appetite
Nausea
Palpitations
Hypertension (high blood pressure)
Possible cardiac hypertrophy as clen also targets cardiac and smooth muscle fibres
Heart muscle necrosis has been demonstrated in animal studies
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Clen Stacking -
11-13-2007
I also have some info about Clen Stacking and usage, read it , it's rather good:
STACKING AND USAGE:
Clenbutaplex, when used for its fat-burning properties is best used in a pyramid scheme. Slowly building up the dose may be more important that tapering off of it, as most first time users will rarely if ever know how they will react. Because of the effects on blood pressure its best to start with 20-40 mg per day and slowly work your way up increasing the dose every 3 days by 20 cmg, to a maximum of 120-160 mg (most find 80 mg to be adequate). Its also best not used for long periods of time. Body homeostasis seems to negate the excitatory and inhibitive functions of Clenbutaplex over time, creating a complacency effect. It loses most of its nerve stimulation and fat burning benefits after 3-4 weeks, and using it longer on end would be futile. The user is best to discontinue use for an equal period of time and then recommence again.
Athletes usually take 5-7 tablets, 100-140 mg per day For women 80-100 mg/day are usually sufficient, It is important that the athlete begin by taking only one tablet on the first day and then increasing the dosage by one tablet each of the following days until the desired maximum dosage is reached. The compound is usually taken over a period of 8-10 weeks. Since Clenbutaplex is not a hormone compound it has no side effects typical of anabolic steroids. For this reason it is also liked by women. Possible side effects of Clenbutaplex include restlessness, palpitations, tremor (involuntary trembling of fingers), headache, increased perspiration, insomnia, possible muscle spasms, increased blood pressure, and nausea. Note that these side effects are of a temporary nature and usually subside after 8-10 days, despite continuation of the product.
A more reasonable approach would be either one week on, one week off, or alternately, two weeks on two weeks off. The two week cycle has the disadvantage of a "crash" period afterwards. This crash period can be helped with the use of ephedrine to lessen the lethargy that you will experience. If you are interested in taking Clenbutaplex for anything other than fat loss then you might as well stay away from this compound. There is a lot of talk as to how Clenbutaplex compares to ephedrine as well. Most "experts" feel that clen gives a better bang for the buck than the ECA stack. It should be noted that Clenbutaplexs results and effects are much shorter lived. They work through very similar mechanisms. Both products stimulate the beta-receptors but Clenbutaplex seems to be a more refined version, called a second generation beta-agonist drug, than ephedrine. Clenbutaplex targets the proper receptors, being the beta-2 and 3 receptors than ephedrine more specifically which should in theory make Clenbutaplex more effective of a fat burner. Again, most of the so called "experts" say that Clenbutaplex is more effective than ephedrine. I, personally, get worse results with clen vs. the good old ECA stack. Clenbutaplex also didn't blunt my hunger either and I ate more while taking it as well. I also seem to get much better effects out of cytomel as a fat burner as well. Even better than the ECA stack or Clenbutaplex. But, again, that is my personal opinion.
It's also commonly stacked with anabolic steroids. Usually non-aromatizing steroids that give the user a leaner and harder look, and allow for less water retention. They serve a main purpose of allowing the user to keep as much of his hard-earned muscle mass as he tries to shed the fat he has stocked up in the off-season with catabolic precursors such as Clenbutaplex. Clenbutaplex is generally regarded as fairly safe, hence its wide-spread use. It should be disadvised for all with blood pressure and/or previously diagnosed cardio-vascular problems. But most tolerate it quite well. By building up the dose over time they usually see when they've reached a dose that becomes too harsh. The use of Clenbutaplex will elicit higher body temperature, higher blood pressure and in some, especially at high doses, insomnia and jitters. Though these should not be nearly as pronounced with Clenbutaplex as they are with ephedrine and its legal counterpart ma huang. They are also easily remedied by shifting doses around so you don't take Clenbutaplex in the hours leading up to bedtime and most of it in pre-training phases when the drug can enhance your training vigor.
CLENBUTAPLEX EFFECTIVE DOSE
80-140 mcgs. / day in split doses throughout the day. Anything over 140 mcg a day is overkill since the beta receptors can only take so much of a product and then more is just wasteful.
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11-13-2007
Also some useful Info about clen Cycles:
SOME USEFUL INFO:
Clenbutaplex Cycle
Based on its rate of elimination from the body, and how much is usually needed to be effective for athletes, my recommendations are the same for both men and women. Youīll need to take 20mcgs upon rising, and then repeat that same dose again later in the day, and then once again in that day (if you find you can tolerate the effects). So youīll start with 20mcgs, and then repeat that dose 2 more times that same day if you can tolerate it (side effects will determine this hand shaking, sweating, etc& classic stimulant sides). Then you can start increasing the dose gradually. Personally, I wouldnīt work my way up to more than 200mcg/day. 60-120mcg/day is an average dose. And keep your Blood Pressure at (or under) 140/90, while on clen, just to be safe. If you go over that, lower the dose. Youīll also want to know your body temperature, upon rising, for the week before you start taking your clen, and then monitor it (again, as soon as you wake up) throughout your clen regimen. When it returns to the level it was at before you began taking the clen, youīll need to start taking your Benadryl or Ketotifen, as the decrease in Body Temperature back to original levels indicates the thermogenic effect is beginning to decline.
Clenbutaplex can also cause a downregulation in testicular androgen receptors and in pulmonary, cardiac and central nervous system beta-adrenergic receptors possibly making steroids less effective (if there is androgen receptor downregulation elsewhere as well, then itīs highly probable) while you are on clen; but definitely making clen less effective as time goes on and you keep taking it. To counteract this, you can take some ketotifen every 3rd or 4th week that you remain on clen. Itīs a prescription anti-histimines, so itīll make you drowsy (take before bedtime). Basically, the way this works is to reduce beta-2 receptor activity, and restore receptor function .
Another option, if you are worried about receptor downgrade, is taking Benadryl, at around 50-100mgs/night before bed (every 3rd week or so, for that week). Benadryl is sold as an anti-histamine in the United States, and/or a sleep aid elsewhere in the world. However, Beta receptors are embedded in the cellīs outer phospholipid membrane. The stability of the membrane has a lot to do with the proper function of the receptors. Methylation of the phospholipids is stimulated by the binding of beta agonists to their receptors. Methylated phospholipids are foreign to the body, and when the body recognizes them as foreign, it breaks them down with phospholipase A2. This changes the structure of the outer membrane which results in desensitization of the beta receptors. On the other hand, agents that inhibit phospholipase A2 slow desensitization.
Cationic ampiphylic drugs are known for their ability to inhibit phospholipase A2. Benadryl (diphenhydramine) is a cationic ampiphylic drug.
Ergo, Benadryl slows desensitization of Beta receptors (i.e. Upgrades them) by inhibiting phospholipase A2, which is the enzyme that breaks down methylated phospholipids, and this action in turn keeps the phospholipid membrane stable, and thus keeps the receptors functioning properly.This will allow you to use clen for much longer and itīll still have the same effects. Also, since Benadryl is an anti-histamine, and histamines have a direct effect on beta-adrenoreceptors (not just Beta-2īs but all of them), using an anti-histamine will have a direct effect on reducing beta-receptor stimulation and thus upregulating your beta-receptors.
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